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Old 12-04-2007, 09:23 AM
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Default ARCA truck Racing Series

http://www.arcaracing.com

ARCA has a truck only racing series that runs only on smaller tracks...
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Old 12-04-2007, 10:38 AM
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Have you seen the King Taco Truck Series?

http://www.irwindalespeedway.com/div_suptr.asp

They run the radiator in the bed.

Also there is this series.

http://www.westcoastprotrucks.com/index.html

And

NASA Pro Trucks

http://www.protruck-racing.com/

http://highperformancetrucks.com.vid...cf00026f30.htm

All of them are tube frame spec trucks similar to NASCAR Craftsman trucks, but at a much lower cost to build

Here is a link to pickup truck racing series in Brazil that is close as you are going to get as far as real truck platform is concerned.

http://www.velocidadebrasil.com.br/d....php?album=142

They even use natural gas for fuel:

http://www.highperformancetrucks.com...g2_itemId=6475

How about DTM Pickup? Don't have much info on these pick up trucks yet.

http://www.gptotal.com.br/motovelocidade/especial8.htm




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Old 12-04-2007, 11:50 AM
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I am glad that there are actual truck series type racing out there, but I wish that there were some that were Grassroots Production type compact or even full sized truck racing out there... Like the Old Pro Truck Class from SCCA that used to run with the Trans Am racing
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Old 12-04-2007, 02:39 PM
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That would be cool for sure. Perhaps if there were enough people and trucks out there willing to back us we could petition for a grassroots truck class. As far as I am aware, for now my truck would be stuck in the unlimited class in NASA. I'm not too concerned at this point since I time trial the truck anyway.

Something neat would be to be able to compete against say the NASA Pro Trucks in some form of exhibition event. Completely different approaches to building a race truck. I think with my new power to weight ratio and unrestricted brake upgrades, we could be competitve. I know for sure the NASA trucks are a cheaper way to race trucks, but are fairly cookie cutter as far as design is concerned compared to my truck build.

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Old 12-04-2007, 04:26 PM
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Elijah - I got feedback already from Atlanta region on this... I doubt
we incorporate it, although a truck could race is "SPU" at a regional
event... I passed this feedback from Atlanta on to our board and race
committees...along with your request.

Here are his comments (I cut and pasted) for your background...
regards, Jude

A little background - you may remember the SCCA Pro Truck Series from
the late 1980's that ran as a support series with TransAm. After the
demise of that series, one of our members was able to acquire some of
the Nissan trucks from his connection with Nissan. He was already a
member of the region board and proposed the class to run in our ProIT
series. He had two trucks (one for himself and one rental) and found
buyers for 2 or 3 others.

Attached are the 2006 rules, I'm still trying to locate the 2007 rules. You'll see that these do not strictly follow IT rules, but really
mirror the old pro series rules with a few additions. It has not
allowed newer trucks than what were originally in the SCCA pro series.

One of the drivers (Bob MacIsaac, a former RE) told me that the trucks
are pretty inexpensive to run. They made a tire deal with Hoosier to
be the spec tire, and they get a better price. And he told me that
donor trucks are easy to find so parts are cheap.

One caveat - outside of the original trucks that were acquired from
Nissan, only one or two other trucks have been built and neither was
competitive. There have been a couple of replacement trucks built from
parts of the originals, but the class has not had any growth. The most
entries we've ever had is maybe 6, with most races having only 2
entries. The class has not been accepted by SARRC (the SEDIV regional
series) so they only run in ProIT or the ARRC.
Here is an e-mail that I received a while back...
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:29 PM
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I know the SVT Lightning guys hold their own track days... it looks like many people are just too scared to run their trucks on a track, I figure if more people pipe up about racing their trucks in either road course or autocross; I think that there would be more people comfortable on running their own truck
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Old 12-04-2007, 06:23 PM
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That's why I prefer to TT my truck instead of RR since if I wreck it's due to my own fault as opposed to someone else taking me out.

I think the reason you see the NASCAR style truck racing series survive is because they are an "affordable" way to race trucks and they cheaper to build right and maintain than doing what I did like building a truck in an attempt to be competitive against sports cars like the Corvette and Porsche. Building a truck to run competitive lap times is expensive to do. Dollar for dollar if you want to run a race truck fender to fender, I would consider a NASA Pro Truck or a King Taco Truck.

Just think about all the things initially wrong and should be corrected when converting a typical street truck into a competitive racer:

-Poor weight distribution. Front is heavy tendency to understeer, rear is light tendency to oversteer or get no grip unless the vehicle is AWD.
-Typically higher center of gravity compared to sports cars. Difficult to lower because of body mounted on top of frame.
-Poor torsional stiffness requiring massive amounts of creative roll cage tubing to create a spaceframe.
-Aerodynamics of a condominium.
-Lousy brakes unless you have the likes of a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT or Porsche Cayenne Turbo. Weight transfer require creative brake system designing to avoid the rear from locking up or the front from melting down.
-19th century chuckwagon suspension. Independent front suspension components are typically beefier and subsequently heavier than sports car IFS adding considerable unsprung weight. Rear suspension is typically of the leaf spring variety which make it very difficult to keep the axle centered. (A solid rear axle can be a plus though.)
Truck steering tend to be sloppy, vague and unresponsive.






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Old 12-05-2007, 05:31 PM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=JEPQqrTPk9w



http://youtube.com/watch?v=KA0qwxDv9Rw



http://youtube.com/watch?v=M50t89FQy7k



http://youtube.com/watch?v=HnYxYH8WwPA

These videos are of my friend's Road Race Ranger...
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Old 12-05-2007, 05:36 PM
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You are correct that it would and does cost quite a bit of money to be able to compete against Porsche and Corvette, but lets think smaller... but consider a class like the Improved Touring Truck class for SCCA... all they are allowed to do is change shocks and coil springs and sway bars, but yet they keep up with the civics, mustangs, etc...

http://www.atl-scca.org/Documents%20...ck%20Rules.doc
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LOL. In the first clip it even looks harder to get in than my truck!

Nice to see the Porsche let you by. I participated in a recent track day event where I caught a slower Porsche, but it became obvious after several laps there was no way he was going to let me by and face humiliation. It was one of those wave by only events.

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